Avery Brooks and Penny Johnson Jerald in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Once again, I have decided to open up the interview vault and revisit some of the many interviews I have had the pleasure of writing over the years and that just appeared in-print and not on-line. Today's interview is with Penny Johnson Jerald, who talks about life on Deep Space Nine and playing Kasidy Yates on the Star Trek spin-off. Enjoy, and keep coming back for more familiar faces and shows!
Captain Benjamin Sisko thought his life was over when he lost his wife Jennifer to the Borg during the battle at Wolf 359. Three years later, having been given command of a former Cardassian space station orbiting the planet Bajor, Sisko’s painful memories had to be relegated to the back of his mind as his responsibilities on Deep Space Nine began to grow. His deeply buried desire for love and companionship surfaced, however, when he met the captivating and capable captain of a space freighter, Kasidy Yates. It is ironic that actress Penny Johnson Jerald, who never really considered herself a Star Trek fan, would end up capturing the heart of one of Starfleet’s finest.
“My husband’s a Trekkie, I mean a big time Trekkie,” says Johnson Jerald. “When the call came in about a part on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine I said, ‘Oh, well, I can’t do that.’ He said, ‘Oh, yes, you can and you’d better, too.’ So I went in and read for the part of Kasidy Yates and it was offered to me. One thing about acting is that when you’re not believing that you have to have a job and you’re relaxed and just do what comes naturally then you’re more likely to get the job. So I thank God I did just that. Oh, and I thank my husband, too, because I’m in love with Star Trek now. I truly am.”
While Johnson Jerald may not have been familiar with Deep Space Nine, she did know of Avery Brooks (Captain Benjamin Sisko) and was looking forward to working with him. “I was familiar with Avery Brooks and that’s all I needed to know. There are certain questions that I ask before I’ll even think about a job. Not just, ‘What show is it?’ or ‘Who’s writing it and who’s directing it?’ I like to know whom I’m playing opposite because that lets me know if I’m going to have a good time and a good time means there’s going to be good work, strong chemistry and beautiful repercussions. Without all of this, work can sometimes be like pulling teeth,” she laughs. “So I was excited to have the chance to work with Avery as he’s classically trained and has a great intellect.”
With such a strong and commanding presence as Avery Brooks in the captain’s chair on Deep Space Nine, the show’s producers needed to develop a romantic interest for Sisko who could be his equal on all levels and not just in the bedroom. “Kasidy is extreme in the sense that she can really hold her own,” explains the actress. “I definitely think she could survive on her own but it’s Sisko who introduces her to real love. Kasidy is sexy and romantic and I feel that’s what she contributes to his life. She’s on the ball, straightforward, no-nonsense and very much skilled at her job. Kasidy also has a big heart because she believes in what she does.”
Johnson Jerald made her first appearance as Kasidy Yates in the third season Deep Space Nine episode Family Business which was directed by Rene Auberjonois who plays Odo, the station’s shape-shifting chief of security. Being directed by a fellow actor afforded Johnson the freedom to create her character and also gave her the chance to learn about the world of science fiction.
“First of all it was a treat to be directed by an actor because an actor/director is very sensitive to the ability of the actor he chooses. So Rene was very gifted in that,” says Johnson Jerald. “He allowed me to discover what it was that I needed to do and then guided me inside of his picture. The ultimate picture is the director’s and a smart one will guide the actors so that he can still end up with his vision but inside of that can get certain specifics or mini-pictures that he didn’t envision to begin with.
“Something else I found when I first began working on Star Trek is that they’re very strict with their words. They desire their scripts spoken verbatim and that’s a challenge for an actor such as myself who comes off a program like, for example, The Larry Sanders Show, where if a line doesn’t feel natural you can change it. On Star Trek the challenge is to make the lines so much a part of you that the audience won’t think, ‘Oh, that really sounds like a speech.’ Instead they’ll hear the individual and think, ‘Oh, that’s what that person would probably say.’
“So my first experience on Star Trek was great,” she enthuses. “Avery was lovely, Rene was incredible and it was a very comfortable set to come onto because Star Trek is a real family thing. They’ve been together, forever so your place of friendship is established. Being an outsider could be difficult, but the whole atmosphere was very warm, particularly because of Avery, Rene and the producers.”
In Johnson Jerald’s second appearance on the show, Indiscretion, the romance between Sisko and Kasidy begins to blossom and the couple is seen sharing some very intimate moments. The actress was pleased to have been directed in that episode by another actor/director, LeVar Burton, Chief Engineer Geordi La Forge on The Next Generation. She feels that Burton’s gentle and thoughtful directorial touch was just the thing to help guide Sisko and his newfound love as they took their relationship to the next level.
“Oh, my gosh. That was a real treat because LeVar is from the other Star Trek. My husband always makes sure the show is on so I’ve seen a lot of The Next Generation,” she laughs. “I remember that I’d always watch the show and wonder, ‘Why does that man wear that visor? Why did he make that choice?’ I thought, ‘If I ever meet him I’m going to ask him that.’ Then I found out that LeVar was directing my episode I said, ‘Great.’ I really had planned on asking him about that because the actor in me thought it wasn’t a good choice on his part. After working with him I thought, ‘This man knows exactly what he’s doing.’ I realized that he was very smart to wear that visor.
“As far as his work as a director, LeVar is very attentive and concerned, not just with his overall picture but how we thought Sisko and Kasidy needed to be seen together. What is different about working with LeVar is that he’s an African-American and this is important because an issue came up about Sisko and Kasidy in bed. In the original script it had Sisko’s son Jake walking in on them. All three of us, Avery, LeVar and myself thought, ‘No, that is not right.’ Many times when you see an African-American couple in bed it has to do more with a basic sexual act as opposed to something romantic and beautiful. As an African-American, LeVar was extremely sensitive to how we should be handling that and how it should be viewed. We did the scene without any interruptions from Jake because we thought that was a bit disrespectful. By doing this I would not be thought of as just some woman sleeping with his father but, instead, our relationship would develop into a nurturing one that meant something more than just a one-night stand. Unfortunately, in the end, the scene was cut because of time. We were all very disappointed about that because of the thought and consideration that went into putting it together. LeVar is a very generous man and working with him was a wonderful and very warm experience. We talked about possibly collaborating on other things in the future because we enjoyed working with each other so much.”
In getting to know Captain Sisko, Kasidy has become quite attached to his young son Jake, played by Cirroc Lofton. When Johnson first began working on the series Lofton barely reached her shoulders whereas now he towers over her. Over the past few years the actress has enjoyed watching Lofton grow into a fine young man and actor.
“Our three characters, Sisko, Kasidy and Jake have managed to mold themselves into a nice little family thing,” explains Johnson Jerald. “You could see a hint of that in the beginning with this concerned son wanting a companion for his father. Jake liked Kasidy from the very start and I now believe he has bonded with her and wants Kasidy to be a more permanent part of this relationship. He truly believes that she is not just some woman who has stepped into his father’s life through him but is someone who would be a good friend to him because she’s fun. Cirroc is such a joy to work with and I’m pleased with the direction in which the relationship between our two characters is going.”
Things between Sisko and Kasidy took a turn for the worse during the fourth season of Deep Space Nine. In For the Cause Sisko discovers that the woman he loves is smuggling supplies to the Maquis. The captain must make a choice between happiness or duty. Like all good Starfleet officers he chooses the latter and turns Kasidy over to the Federation. This is Johnson Jerald’s favorite episode simply because it brings together each and every facet of her character. “Actually, they’re all in one scene,” she says. “It’s when Kasidy decides to come back and face the consequences and Sisko must make the decision as to whether or not to cart her off to prison. He must choose where his allegiance truly lies. It’s a wonderful conflict and out of all that turmoil so many beautiful things happen. This episode is, by far, the best experience I’ve had so far playing the character.”
A year later Kasidy returned to Deep Space Nine and into the waiting arms of Sisko in the episode appropriately titled Rapture. Having paid her dues to the Federation she is ready to get back to work and determined to make things right between her and Sisko. She, along with the audience, is never quite sure when Kasidy will show up next. Her semi-regular status on the series gives her the chance to pursue other jobs and this is something for which the actress is most grateful.
“It’s the difference between doing a classical play and being able to cut loose and do something very contemporary,” she explains. “It’s a nice balance. I could not do Deep Space Nine every week. I’d enjoy the company and I’m sure I would probably enjoy that steady income but I need to do other things including theatre and films. This series is a nice factor in this whole equation called ‘Penny’s career.’ I love being able to be upright in a literal sense. I find Kasidy very upright in stature and in speech as well as in her attack and approach. I can then counterbalance that with someone who is very lateral,” chuckles Johnson, “like the drunk in What’s Love Got to Do With It. So Deep Space Nine is a good thing for me and I would not like to take it out of my equation.”
Ever since she can remember Johnson Jerald has wanted to be an actress. At one point she entertained the notion of becoming a lawyer but her passion for the arts eventually won out over that of law. She also wanted to be a teacher and is pleased that her performing has allowed her to do both by instructing young adults in the craft of acting. “I do have a gift of imparting knowledge,” she says, “and I’ve been a teacher since I was sixteen. Being an actor, however, has been my calling. It truly has. My husband puts it this way: when you discover your calling or your passion it is something you desire to do whether or not you get paid for doing it and you can actually do this thing for the rest of your life and not feel any kind of remorse. That is what acting is for me. I could do it forever without pay and be fulfilled. I wouldn’t eat or be clothed,” laughs the actress, “but I could definitely do it, so I know this is it for me.”
Along with her work on Deep Space Nine, Johnson Jerald has also guest-starred in numerous made-for-television films and popular shows such as Coach, Hill Street Blues, Tour of Duty, Grace Under Fire and Simon & Simon. Her feature film work includes The Great Pretender, Swing Shift, Goin’ to Chicago and Hard Boiled. On stage she has appeared in The Picnic, Night of the Assassins and Our Country’s Good. For Johnson-Jerald her work does not end once the curtain falls or the cameras stops rolling.
“What makes my job rewarding is when I can see that I have lifted a frown to a smile or when I have instilled something in a kid who feels completely empty. It’s when I go to my congregation at church and know the people respect me as a person who’s a strong believer in God and who can also be an actor because, somehow, we’ve been led to believe that the two just don’t go together. Whenever I’ve finished a project I feel as if I’ve eaten this incredible meal and now I can just lay back and have some very sweet dreams. It’s these things that make acting special to me. I give a lot as an actress but I get so very much in return. It’s one of those businesses where some people will say, ‘I give, give, give all of the time and I don’t see the fruits of my labor.’ I tell you, I do. Whenever I plant some seeds I get that fruit right back.”
Johnson Jerald recently appeared opposite Clint Eastwood in the feature film Absolute Power and with Bill Cosby in an episode of his sitcom Cosby. Currently, she is working on the sixth season of The Larry Sanders Show as well as with Gregory Hines on an as yet unnamed pilot for CBS Television. She is eager to return to Deep Space Nine next season and is grateful for the love and support the show’s fans have shown towards Kasidy Yates.
“Yesterday, I’m not exaggerating, I must have answered over one hundred pieces of fan mail. I couldn’t believe it because, I will confess, it is the first time I have ever received that much fan mail at one time. Not all of it was about my Star Trek appearances but the fans of the show that do write to me have, I think, the same opinion of Kasidy that I do. They love the different rhythm and the little bit of spice Kasidy adds to the Star Trek family and I must say that the Star Trek family adds that same spice to my family which is my life.”
Steve Eramo