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Heroes' Robert Knepper - Mover And Shaker

Robert Knepper as Heroes' Samuel Sullivan. Photo by Chris Huston and copyright of NBC.

Murder, kidnapping and rape are among the most heinous crimes committed by racist and pedophile Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell. Once described by TV Guide magazine as "one of the creepiest characters on television," T-Bag became a very familiar face to Prison Break fans around the world thanks to the talented Robert Knepper. For four seasons, he kept viewers guessing as to what his character would get up to next, and when the show ended last year, the actor began looking for a new creative outlet. He was soon cast as Samuel Sullivan in season four of Heroes. The leader of Sullivan Bros. Carnival, Samuel has the ability to control earth and other minerals with his mind. Playing someone with super powers could not have been more different from T-Bag, but Knepper was determined to make this character just as memorable for audiences.

"When I first met with Dennis Hammer [executive producer] we talked about Samuel not being a stereotypical character," says Knepper. "I learned a long time ago from a great acting teacher of mine in New York to always play the opposite. Don't play a bad guy like a bad guy, don't play a doctor like a doctor, don't play a cop like a cop, etc. The stereotypical carnival barker is someone who is kind of oily and sleazy and is like, 'Step right up, step right up, see him walk, see him talk.' That type of thing, you know?

"At this point I didn't even have any ideas yet visually about Samuel, but Dennis and I talked about him being charismatic, magnetic and magnanimous, like a rock star. Samuel has to entice these people with powers to get them to come over to his side because he realizes that he's more powerful with them around him. His abilities increase exponentially as a result of that. I suppose he could have just coerced them in obvious ways - hey, you're going to join me or I'll kill you - but then you would have had half a season of Heroes and not a full one," jokes the actor. "But I think Samuel is smart enough to realize that it's better to entice these people and get them to say, 'Hey, thank you, Samuel, for helping me realize something in my redemptive path that I really need to look at. Now, how can I pay you back?'

Samuel welcomes you into his world in "Hysterical Blindness." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

"So Dennis and I talked about all this in our initial meeting and I realized that this was a really interesting character. From there, I began thinking about what Samuel would look like, and Keith Richards kept coming to mind. Why do rock-'n'-roll musicians sometimes wear facial make-up onstage? When you're, say, an accountant, you don't do that when you go to work. I come from the theater where you want the audience to see your eyes in the back row, but some of these guys go over the top. KISS wore all this make-up and created a certain look for themselves, so I thought, 'Well, it may or may not be explained why Samuel does this,' like the nail polish thing that I came up with, but these guys [the Heroes producers] were great. They let me experiment and would pull me back if they felt I was going a bit overboard with the make-up, but it was always a collaborative effort from the get-go.

"I think they knew and know that I'm a team player and a true storyteller. I love being part of telling a story, and when you're in the theater or on television, at least the kind of television that I like to work on, that's a true collaboration. And I have to say that the people on Heroes took a lot of my ideas and ran with them. When we were shooting the last [season four] episode, Tim Kring [series creator/executive producer] came up to me and said, 'I just want to thank you because we have such a great time writing for you.' And I said to him, 'I had a great time saying your words, buddy.' When you have that kind of collaboration, the writers love writing for you. Also, on Heroes, they know I don't look ahead. I'm right there in the moment with the scripts. What's right there on the page is what I'm concerned with and nothing more. So it really was such a terrific start with these guys, and by the time we got to the end of filming, there were a lot of good feelings bubbling around."

Making his debut in Heroes' fourth season opener, Orientation, Samuel Sullivan is seen giving a speech at his brother's funeral. He tells his fellow carnival workers - who also have special powers - that they are his true family and that the outside world does not understand them. Using his power to cover his brother's grave with dirt, Samuel later goes to see Lydia (Dawn Olivieri), an empath who can sense the wishes and desires of others. In this and in later episodes, he uses her abilities to show him others with powers who can help him expand his family. Although Knepper had made some decisions on how to play Samuel, there were still one or two aspects of the character he needed to tweak.

Samuel consults Lydia (Dawn Olivieri) as fellow carnie, Edgar (Ray Park), looks on. Photo by Chris Huston and copyright of NBC.

"My challenge with this character, as with any character, was to make him believable so as not to look so damn silly as you're standing there causing an earthquake with your clenched fists," he says. "Samuel's accent was a huge challenge for me. I always work with Tim Monich [dialect coach] and try to make the time to prepare and get it [the accent] down. I remember when I did [the feature film] Hitman in Bulgaria during one of the hiatuses from Prison Break. I worked for a bit over here with Tim and then I studied with a guy in Bulgaria for a couple of weeks before we began filming. I thought, 'People know me all over the world as T-Bag from Prison Break, and now I want to be Russian. I want to be as freakin' Russian as I can.' When I did press for that movie, I met a French journalist in New York, and his first comment was, 'Where did they get that Russian guy who looks a lot like T-Bag.' I thought, 'Yes!'

"With Hitman I had time to study the accent, but with Samuel it was frustrating because I had to jump in right away. Early on I had this crazy idea of making him Irish, or not necessarily Irish but coming from someplace in the British Isles, maybe a little Scottish, maybe a little of Northern England. There's kind of an Old World feeling to Samuel because he's not your average guy walking down the street. This is someone with powers who is suddenly discovering them over the years. If, when he was a child, Samuel had known about his abilities, he probably would have destroyed half the world, but if his brother had told him about it, then maybe he wouldn't have been so destructive. Who knows?

"Anyway, the fact that my character had these powers made him seem timeless, and there's something timeless about British accents, but I didn't have any time to call Tim [Kring] about it. I actually phoned him after we began filming and apologized to him, saying, 'I'm just kind of winging it [the accent].' I've done quite a few English dialects over the years in the theater, but never Irish.

The charismatic, magnetic and magnanimous Samuel. Photo by Adam Taylor and copyright of NBC.

"I remember going down to Comic-Con and telling the people there, 'You're going to watch me discover Samuel as we go along. This is not a fully fleshed-out character, especially dialect-wise.' And the thing is, a lot of these fans are the same fans who watched Prison Break, so I just hoped that they'd forgive me for that because I was experimenting. But at least I had the guts to experiment in front of them, almost like it was theater. I'd say that by about a third of the way through the season, I found my footing. So Samuel's look didn't change, but his dialect did.'

What did the actor think about his character's powers and filming scenes where Samuel uses them? "I like how the writers wrote about the power of moving earth," notes Knepper. "That's how it was described to me. What's Samuel's power? He can move earth. Then, of course, it went from this nice sweet simple act of Samuel moving his arms and covering up his brother's coffin, to covering up seeds he planted in the ground [Hysterical Blindness], and then, [in Strange Attractors] him saying, 'I can't believe you've hurt one of my own. I'm going to bring down the police station.' And before that [in Ink] when Samuel destroys the house where he and Joseph grew up and later became its caretakers, all because the owner wouldn't let him into the backyard.

"So you don't want to upset this guy because he will do something destructive, and as the season goes on, Samuel becomes angrier and angrier as more and more things are revealed to him. When it comes to shooting the scenes where he uses his powers, you've just got to pretend. You have to stand there and think, 'I'm believing all this is real.' It's described to you [in the script] how to look, but even then you don't know for sure. It's more about a feeling you have as opposed to what you're really seeing."

Samuel Sullivan - one man who literally can make the earth move! Photo by Adam Taylor and copyright of NBC.

Among the heroes (and villains) that Samuel tries to lure into his carnival family are Claire Bennet (Hayden Panetterie), Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) and the psychotic Sylar (Zachary Quinto), who, while suffering from amnesia, stumbles upon Samuel's carnival in Hysterical Blindness. "The thing with Sylar is that Zach and I first met when I was doing Prison Break," says Knepper. "We were in this issue of Entertainment Weekly as some of TV's best villains, along with people like Vanessa Williams from Ugly Betty and James Callis from Battlestar Galactica. We were all brought together for this photo shoot, and because I don't watch TV I didn't know who any of these other actors were, but it was just nice to be included in this group.

"I did, however, know that Zach was in Heroes, and then later when I came on the show, I thought, 'This is kind of fun. Here are these two heavyweights [Sylar and T-Bag] going up against each other.' So it was a little surreal. Our characters were famous from our [respective] TV shows, but now we were together. It was like a big-time wrestling match; in this corner is Sylar, and in the other corner, Samuel," chuckles the actor. "Zach is a cool guy, and even though people go nuts for him because of the Star Trek film [in which Quinto plays Mr. Spock] as well as Heroes, he's totally unpretentious about the whole thing.

"As far as the storyline with Sylar and Samuel, I'm not sure the writers knew exactly where they wanted to take that. Sometimes he would get Sylar in his clutches, and then Sylar would disappear and then come back. I think that's still got to be fleshed out as far as what happens with it. Ultimately, though, I feel that Sylar will become as much a hero as he can be and be part of taking down Samuel. However, I'm not sure yet if they [the writers] know whether they want to do that or not. It would be kind of nice to leave it hanging as far as, oh, you thought you saw that bad boy [Sylar]. Well, take a look at this bad boy [Samuel], and you've got them both on the same show. At the same time, I don't know if Sylar and Samuel could ever come together because they might be a bit too narcissistic."

Sylar (Zachary Quinto) and Samuel. Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

In the fourth season Heroes episode Thanksgiving, viewers are given further glimpses into Samuel's and his brother Joseph's (Andrew Connolly) past. Since childhood, Joseph, who was also an evolved human with the power to cause others to lose control of their abilities and render them unconscious, had kept his younger brother from ever fully realizing his abilities in order to prevent him from wreaking havoc. When Samuel discovered that Joseph lied to him, it led to the fight where he accidentally murdered him.

"It's funny, after I was cast as Samuel, I found out that it had been between me and another actor, and the next thing I heard was that this other actor [Andrew Connolly] would be playing Joseph," recalls Knepper. "I thought, 'Oh, this is going to be awkward,' but Andrew turned out to be really cool. He's the real McCoy, meaning he's Irish, and just the sweetest man. On our first day working together, Andrew came up to me and said, 'They gave me a few episodes to watch and your Irish is terrific. You're an amazing actor and I'm just really honored to work with you.'

"So Andrew was incredible, and I learned so much from him about Samuel. We had that great scene together where our two characters go out in the field and they fight. Samuel is so upset and he throws a rock and hits Joseph in the neck. But he didn't throw that rock to kill him. Samuel threw it because he was so angry, and then it was like, 'Oh, crap, I killed him.' That scene was so well done in how it was filmed and written to say, no, no, no, it was not the intention to kill him. Damn you, Joseph, I hate you so much that I feel like killing you, but I don't really want to kill you. I just want to let you know how mad I am.

In an effort to discover his true self, Samuel inadvertently kills the one person he ever truly cared about. Photo by Justin Lubin and copyright of NBC.

"Joseph was everything to Samuel. He was his world, he was his mentor, he was his father, and he was his leader. At the same time, Samuel couldn't believe that his brother kept this information from him. How dare Joseph hold this back from him and not let Samuel reach his full potential. How could he not have found a way to tell his brother? All this stuff is fantastic in Shakespearean-like or Greek tragedy-like proportions, and really neat to play. And Andrew was terrific to work with from start to finish."

In last week's Heroes episode, The Act of Deception, Claire returns to the carnival to try to talk Samuel into surrendering to her father, Noah (Jack Coleman), who is coming for him. Samuel agrees, but unknown to Claire or Noah, he betrays them and uses Noah's attempt to capture him as a ploy to further convince the other carnies that they must help him create a new world where all evolved humans will be accepted. Filming this episode as well as the final few season four Heroes stories was especially satisfying for Knepper.

"The best thing about working on an ensemble show is that most shows shoot around eight days [per episode], but Heroes shoots 10 or 11 days as well as shoots simultaneously with other episodes," explains the actor. "When I was on Prison Break I'd work three or four days out of eight, so I got a lot of time to spend with my family. These last three or four episodes of Heroes were over two months worth of work. I swear I worked every day, sometimes all night long, but as a result, I got to feel what it's like to be number one on the call sheet, and it didn't feel like an ensemble. It was like I had this weight on my shoulders, and I proudly took it. I thought, 'I'm going to take this season to the finish line,' and I loved it.

Samuel and Edgar in the Heroes fourth season finale "Brave New World." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

"Probably my biggest challenge was finding the energy as well as time to memorize my lines and just stay afloat. But I was like a boxer in the ring and thinking, 'Come on, come on, bring it on. What else have you got for me?' In these last few episodes everything comes to a climax in regard to Samuel's powers along with his anger, frustration and revenge. It boils over the top and is very intense."

Born in Fremont, Ohio, Knepper was nine years old when he joined a community children's theatre group, the Back Alley Kids and performed in plays during the summertime. At home, the actor's parents both played piano, and rather than television, their nightly entertainment was standing around the piano and singing. Knepper's father is a veterinarian, and the actor always thought that he would one day take over his dad's practice.

"But I never stopped having fun [performing onstage]," says Knepper. "Luckily, my parents didn't discourage me from having fun, and they didn't encourage me, either. When I was in high school I was auditioning and doing college plays, so it just seemed like a natural conclusion that I would go into the theater.

"When I was studying at Northwestern University I did an English play called The Ruling Class, which my mom and dad came to see. This particular night just happened to be amazing; it was the first time I ever got a standing ovation. And my dad was so sweet. Before he and my mom came backstage, he sent me a note that read, 'I think you're doing the right thing.' So they were always supportive of my decision."

While attending Northwestern, Knepper worked professionally onstage, and after two years he moved to New York City where he continued performing in the theater. The actor was around 25 years old when he relocated again, this time to Los Angeles, to pursue feature film and eventually TV work. That's Life!, Wild Thing, Species III and The Day the Earth Stood Still are among his movie credits, while on the small screen Knepper has guest-starred on such shows as Star Trek: The Next Generation, ER, Law and Order: Criminal Intent and CSI: Miami as well as played recurring characters on Presidio Med and Carnivale.

Robert Knepper's Prison Break alter ego - Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell. Photo by Greg Gayne and copyright of Fox.

"Prison Break is what put me on the map, though, and I haven't looked back since," says the actor. "T-Bag had so much in his past as well as so much he was fighting against and wanted. Of course, there was the need to cover all that up because he was a wanted criminal. He had escaped from prison, so he needed to be charming. Some of the funniest damn lines I've ever said acting-wise came with that role, too. T-Bag was kind of like the show's Don Rickles," he jokes, " and that was a hell of a lot of fun. It's the same sort of thing with Samuel. Again, you peel the layers of the onion away, but you don't wear it on your sleeve. You don't walk around saying, 'Look at me, I'm a wounded guy. Oh, forgive me.' Samuel would kick T-Bag's butt, except for the fact that he's just as wounded."

Steve Eramo

As noted above, photos by Adam Taylor, Trae Patton, Justin Lubin, Chris Huston or Greg Gayne and copyright of NBC or Fox, so please no unauthorized copying or duplicating of any kind. Thanks!

Heroes' Greg Grunberg - Man On A Trapeze

Greg Grunberg as Matt Parkman in Heroes. Photo copyright of NBC.

Do you know the old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished?" It is one that Matt Parkman perhaps should have heeded at the end of Heroes' third year. The good-natured and often put-upon law enforcement officer, who also happens to possess telepathic powers, thought he finally had the chance to start a normal life with his wife Janice and baby son, Matt Jr. Then, however, Noah Bennet and Angela Petrelli talked Matt into using his ability to help them get rid of Sylar. As a result, Matt not only wound up with a guilty conscience, but, at the start of season four, Sylar's psychotic consciousness stuck inside his head as well. Yes, it was yet more angst for our reluctant hero to contend with, but Greg Grunberg, who plays Matt, readily embraced the new acting challenge.

"Well, first of all, the end of season three was exciting for me because suddenly Matt was the one who they turned to in order to level Sylar, which was awesome," enthuses Grunberg. "I love how we play things on this show, in that most of the time they're character-driven and we try to keep it that way. So going into this particular story arc, I knew it would be good. However, Matt wasn't happy about doing this. It was something he had never done before and he knew there would be repercussions. Although he was thrown into this, it was also something he chose to do. And, of course, when we're burning the body [in the third season finale An Invisible Thread], Matt knows it's not really Sylar, and he's carrying that secret with him.

"Then at the beginning of season four, when Angela [Christine Rose] calls Matt and says, 'Things didn't go as planned; we need your help again,' it's like, crap! He's not happy about it and doesn't want to go back. Once again, all Matt wants to do is try to lead a normal life, which is exactly what inspired Tim Kring [Heroes executive producer] to create this show after he saw [the feature film] The Incredibles. The thing is, no matter what you try to do, when you're 'special' and have these powers, you're going to get called upon, and when push comes to shove, you're going to have to step up to the plate. As much as Matt tries to go back to that normal life, he can't. He always gets pulled back into this one.

"There are themes in Heroes that are very consistent and, as this season has gone on, the focus for my character is that he will do whatever necessary to protect his family. This goes back to season two and what happened with Matt's father [Maury Parkman, played by Alan Blumfeld], which was a powerful moment for my character. Matt realized that his father had all this power and did whatever it took in order to save their family. But then Matt had to take him down. This year, it's another powerful moment for Matt when he realizes, 'By killing myself, I'll kill Sylar [Zachary Quinto], because if I don't, he's going to go on killing people, maybe even my own family.' So towards the end of this season you're going to see Matt do some really dark things that you wouldn't expect from him."

With Matt's (Greg Grunberg) help, Noah (Jack Coleman) and Angela (Christine Rose) prepare to carry out their plan to deal with Sylar in "An Invisible Thread." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

Turning down Angela Petrelli's request for additional help in the season four Heroes opener Orientation, Matt is shocked when Sylar appears, but only he can see him. In the following episode, Jump, Push, Fall, Sylar tells Matt that he is part of his mind and has no intentions of leaving until he is reunited with his body. Matt tries to ignore Sylar, but the psychopath's relentless taunting starts to adversely affect him. Sylar's hold on Matt strengthens when, in Ink, he uses Matt's powers against him, causing the detective to almost beat a suspected drug dealer to death.

"What I love about this story is that Sylar consciously or subconsciously tapped into Matt's darkest and biggest fear, which goes back to my character discovering Molly," explains Grunberg. "It really mirrored what happened back in season one when he found the little girl under the stairs, but this time when Matt found her, she was dead. That was something Sylar tricked him into seeing. For a second, Matt let his guard down when he and Sylar are in the bathroom and Sylar says to him, 'Look at this house. I mean, you're a cop. I don't know any kid who you would raise in a house like this.' Then he shows Matt the doll and he's like, 'Put it all together.'

"There are so many moments of huge suspension of disbelief in our show, but this is not one of them. Here's a cop trying to do his job and being nagged by an image and a person only he can see and hear and who's giving him clues he can't ignore. Matt has to deal with this, which was really great for me acting-wise, and it was hard, too. The stuff I do on the show is difficult because I always try to play it as real as possible. However, if you were talking to someone and suddenly they tilted their head and looked at you funny, you couldn't help but comment on it and ask, 'What's the matter?' So there's that fine line of Matt talking to Sylar and at the same time trying to keep other people from noticing he's doing so. Those sorts of complex scenes are always so interesting as well as fun to do."

Matt contemplates his next move in "Ink." Photo by Chris Haston and copyright of NBC.

Matt is about to lose his cool with Jimmy Keppler (Daniel Newman) as Sylar (Zachary Quinto) looks on in "Ink." Photo by Chris Haston and copyright of NBC.

Was it hard for the actor to shoot the scenes in which Matt physically abuses his suspect, Jimmy Keppler (Daniel Newman)? "Yes and no," says the actor. "I mean, we all have our rage, and if I want I can get to a dark place pretty quickly. Years ago I did an episode of NYPD Blue and I learned something from Dennis Franz [Detective Andy Sipowicz]. He drowned my character in a bar sink, and when we did the scene, he was getting super-physical with it. I remember saying, 'Dennis, I've got it. I'll go down and you can just put your hand on my head.' He said to me, 'Look, man, when they roll the cameras, I bring the evil.' I thought, 'Wow, what a great line.' Obviously, Dennis did it in a way that he wasn't hurting me, but he was just saying that he really embodied his character.

"So in Heroes it ended up not being too tough for me to take everything I had out on this guy. For Matt to come in, realize, oh, my God, she's dead, and then just ramp it up as he's walking towards this guy and yelling, 'What did you do to her!' was terrific to play. From the camera angles, what's interesting is that the slaps and punches were a foot-and-a-half away from the other actor's [Daniel Newman] head, but it still really looked violent. In-between scenes, they [the make-up artists] came in, added [fake] blood and then we carried on, so it turned out great."

Along with Ink, another favorite episode for the actor to have worked on this season is Strange Attractors in which Matt thinks he has found a way to suppress Sylar's influence on him. "There's one scene, in particular, where Matt is packing to leave and Sylar is in the room with him, but Matt's wife Janice [Lisa Lackey] doesn't know Sylar is there," says Grunberg. "She asks Matt, 'Where are you going?' He tells her, 'I've got to get out of here.' Matt then explains to Janice what he did [with regard to Sylar]. Janice offers, instead, to leave and take the baby somewhere safe, and Matt says, 'Sssh, he'll hear you. Don't tell me where you're going so he [Sylar] won't know.' Here's a guy who is about to go crazy and his wife who loves him seeing that craziness building inside him. I love that scene.

Fighting to be your typical, average family - Matt, Matt Jr. and Janice (Lisa Lackey). Photo by Chris Haston and copyright of NBC.

"Also in this episode is Matt out-drinking Sylar, which is kind of cool. Some people made the comment, 'It's that easy. You just go and get drunk,' but if you stop and think about it, no, it wasn't that easy. Matt got inside Sylar's head and found a weakness. He discovered what really meant something to him and took advantage of it. So it had layers to it, but on the surface it was like, oh, that's all it takes to get Sylar to disappear from your head. Just drink until you pass out.

"So I thought that was interesting, but the scene with Matt and Janice, going into it, I didn't see it being as deep as it turned out to be. When, however, she looked at me, and it was her looking into her husband's eyes and [reassuringly] going, 'Ok, ok,' but meanwhile thinking, 'Dear God, I'm losing him,' that was wonderful to play.

"With this show I feel like I'm working on a trapeze with the strongest, safest, softest and most comfortable net below me because Tim Kring, Dennis Hammer [executive producer] and all the writers and editors are just so good. I can do something and know, OK, it's on film and, yes, perhaps the network will see a take that I'm not thrilled about, but you've got to be willing to take chances to come up with some great stuff. You can't second-guess yourself and think, 'Maybe I should try this, but if I do it might not work.' Who cares? Just do it. It's only film, and with film they're only going to use what works. But you've got to trust the people making those decisions, and I do."

Matt and Sylar are confronted by the police outside the Burnt Toast Diner in "Shadowboxing." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

Unfortunately, Matt's drinking is only a temporary solution to his problem. At the end of Strange Attractors, Sylar retaliates by taking over Matt's body, and in the following episode, Shadowboxing, Sylar goes off in search of his own body. He ends up at the Burnt Toast Diner, where Matt reveals to Sylar that he, Noah (Jack Coleman) and Angela "transformed" him into Nathan Petrelli (Adrian Pasdar). While at the diner, Matt uses his power to make Sylar unwittingly write down on a napkin that he has a gun and he's going to use it to kill everyone. Sylar then hands the napkin to a waitress, and when he eventually walks outside, the police are waiting. Matt tricks Sylar into pretending that he is taking a gun out of his jacket, forcing the police to shoot him.

Matt uses his powers to "persuade" Sylar to act in a threatening manner towards the police in "Shadowboxing." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

"For that scene, Zach and I each had 12 squibs on us," recalls Grunberg. "I'd never had that many squibs on me before. I've been shot on Alias as well as in movies and the most I've ever had is four squibs, which is a lot of explosive charges to have on your chest. So we did the scene and Zach gets shot, then I step in and get shot, but they never showed Matt getting hit. They only showed my character lying on the ground with blood around him. Sylar was the only one who you actually see taking the bullets. In my mind I thought they were going to do a fade-across dissolve [shot] where it would show Sylar getting shot and then, as it fades, it's Matt being shot, but they didn't do that.

Matt intends to sacrifice his own life by goading the police into shooting Sylar in "Shadowboxing." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

"I remember watching the scene when I was doing [audio] looping for the episode, and I called Tim and asked him, 'What happened? I'm not getting shot.' And he said, 'What are you talking about? Sure you are.' In fact, they had made a decision in the editing room, which Tim had forgotten about, and that was they wanted to make it seem like Sylar was really gone. Had they shown me being shot, there might have been a question in some peoples' minds that, oh, maybe it was just Matt who got shot and Sylar didn't die. I thought, 'I went through all those squibs and they didn't even show it,'" chuckles the actor. "Stuff like that, though, is like playing cowboys and Indians. It's a dream for anybody, let alone an actor, to do something like that, and I had a ball."

Poor Matt is down for the count in "Shadowboxing," but only temporarily. Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

Peter (Milo Ventimiglia), Matt, Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) and Sylar have an unexpected reunion in "Brother's Keeper." Photo by Chris Haston and copyright of NBC.

Lucky for Matt, Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia) comes to the hospital in Brother's Keeper and uses his replicated power to heal Matt. However, his "brother" Nathan (a.k.a. the transformed Sylar) is with him and, during a fight between him and Peter, Nathan brushes Matt's hand. Matt suddenly finds himself back in his body and, apparently, Sylar has returned to his own body as well. Despite his character's life and death struggle, Grunberg did not mind having Matt share his mind with Sylar.

"Knowing I was going to be working with Zach as much as I did was a treat," he says. "He's the greatest. Zach and I have known each other for a long time and we're very close, so right away I knew that this was going to be fantastic. And we have a shorthand with each other where we step on each other's lines. I do the same thing with Adrian and a bunch of other actors on the show because we're so familiar with one another.

"At the same time, Zach has a really specific quality to his character and I wanted to try to embody that in certain things I did. In the airport scene [in Shadowboxing] where Sylar takes over Matt's body, I suddenly kind of bring my brow down. There's this look that Zach has about him and a very intense quality that he brings to his character that I wanted to try to copy, even in little moments like that, but in doing so I didn't want to go over the top."

Matt's journey could have ended in "Shadowboxing," but he lives to fight another day, beginning in "Close to You." Photo by Trae Patton and copyright of NBC.

With Sylar finally out of his mind, Matt is reunited with his wife and son, but in Close to You, Noah comes to Matt's house and asks him for help to find Samuel (Robert Knepper), who is bringing together heroes for his own private agenda. At first, Matt refuses, but when Noah plants the seed that Samuel could one day come for Parkman's son, Matt realizes that, once again, he has no choice but to lend a hand. Having worked with Zachary Quinto for much of the season, Grunberg looked forward to sharing some screen time now with Jack Coleman.

"Jack is an amazing actor and it's always great working with him. On the flip side, though, his character is someone who I strapped to a chair in a motel room, and now Matt is trusting him again, just like he trusted Peter, just like he trusted whoever," says the actor. "These alliances keep getting to toxic levels and then suddenly we're like, well, OK, it's all fine with these guys. So it's been a little crazy, but at the same time we're all fighting for ourselves. It's dog-eat-dog, and after a while a pack of dogs is more powerful than any single dog, so you've kind of got to go with it.

"So at the beginning of the episode, Noah is pulling Matt out of his house, and then at the end, my character tells him, 'Look, that's it. Go home. I'm done with this.' But like I said before, it gets very dark from here on in, not only with Matt, and I think people are going to like what's coming up."

Having been a series regular before on Alias and Felicity, the actor has once again enjoyed the opportunity to walk for an extended period of time in Matt Parkman's shoes and seeing his character grow and develop on Heroes. "When we first met Matt, he was quite lonely," notes Grunberg. "His relationship at home was falling apart; he sort of had a clue as to why, but not really. Then, however,  he found out that his wife was cheating on him, so he couldn't have been more alone at that moment.

Father and son - Matt and Matt Jr. Photo by Chris Haston and copyright of NBC.

"From there, Matt just wanted to figure out who did this to him [gave him his telepathic abilities], and in doing so, he discovered these other people who are very much like him. All of a sudden my character realized what it was he truly wanted, but then it was a case of be careful what you wish for. Matt became a John McClane [referring to Bruce Wills' Die Hard character] and has been thrust into something he's really not prepared for. He's learning how to control his abilities, while at the same time discovering just how huge a deal this superhero stuff is.

"So my character has basically gone from being alone, to going on this journey of discovery, and then finding his dad and realizing that all this is part of his destiny and there's no turning back. Matt is now at the point where he can't trust anyone, and the way I've tended to play it - and the writers haven't really written to it in a while - is that this is a vicious cycle and he sees it happening all over again. Matt has powers and look what's happened to his life, and now his son has powers, so what's going to happen to him? Matt just wants to break this cycle and live that normal life, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen."

Besides his heroic endeavors as Matt Parkman in Heroes, Grunberg has also been busy with various other projects, including two films, one of which is called Group Sex.

"Group Sex is something I co-wrote and co-produced with Laurence Trilling, who is working on [the TV series] Parenthood at the moment and who I worked with on Alias as well as Felicity," says the actor. "He's a good friend of mine and a really talented guy and we made this movie independently. I'm starring in it along with Henry Winkler, Tom Arnold, Josh Cooke, Odette Yustman, Kym Whitley, Robbie Benedict and James Denton. Hayden Panettiere [Clare Bennet in Heroes] has a part in it, too, and so does Dania Ramirez [Maya Herrera in Heroes].

A rockin' Greg Grunberg! Photo courtesy of and copyright of The Lippin Group.

"It's a romantic comedy that takes place in a sexaholic recovery group, and I play this guy who belongs in this group, but is the best friend of a guy who wanders into the group. My character's friend follows a girl who he finds attractive into the back room of a church and, all of a sudden, he's in the middle of this group being led by Henry Winkler, who's standing there saying, 'I'm addicted to sex.' The film really turned out well and we're currently working out a distribution deal. I cannot wait for it to get out there because the title alone should intrigue people enough to want to see it, but the movie really does deliver.

"I also did Kill Speed, which is another independent movie but it was financed by a group of fighter pilots, so we got to use all their jets as well as received cooperation from the FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] and airports. We also got military cooperation, which you normally can't get. It's the first film since Top Gun that actually has practical filming of air-to-air combat. The shots in the movie are unbelievable and they're all real, like planes screaming between buildings in downtown Los Angeles, and a jet fighter following one of the these fiberglass planes that are used to transport drugs.

"I play a government agent who's calling the shots from underground and trying to get these drug runners. So for me it was coming in for two or three intense days of shooting where I was looking at monitors and yelling, 'Come on, get 'em! Get 'em!' It was more like a callback to my Alias days than anything else, but I had a really fun time doing the movie and I think people are going to enjoy it.

"I've also got this iPhone application out there that's been exploding and doing really well. It's called Yowza!! and the website for it is getyowza.com. It's a free application, and you just press Yowza!! on your iPhone, iPod Touch, Palm Pre, Android, Blackberry, etc., and it knows your location and brings up all the stores, restaurants and businesses around you along with all their coupons and deals. So you never have to clip coupons again or look for the best deal by walking the mall. When you're in a mall, press Yowza!! and it'll show you, closest to farthest away, where the best deals are."

Husband, dad, talented actor and all-around nice guy, Greg Grunberg. Photo courtesy of and copyright of The Lippin Group.

While there has been no official announcement yet whether or not Heroes will return for a fifth year, Grunberg remains optimistic. "I definitely think we're going to get the opportunity to properly end the series in one year, two years, whatever it may be," he says. "A show like this is successful all over the world and on DVD, and in today's TV business you've got to have that. If a program isn't a hit around the world or if it doesn't take advantage of ancillary markets out there, then it's not going to survive.

"When the time does come, I hope the characters can all band together - those who are still standing - and have some satisfaction that they're doing the right thing. Ultimately, that's what everyone wants to do, even the characters who do something bad. I mean, Ali Larter's character [Niki/Jessica Sanders/Tracy Strauss] feels terrible when she does something bad, but she can't help herself. So I hope we can all see that ultimate redemption - no pun intended. It's a tall order to wrap it all up, but we'll see how they [the producers/writers] do it. Like I said, though, hopefully it'll be a couple of seasons from now."

Steve Eramo

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